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I am looking for any information on a John B. born around 1775/1780 and his brother Duncan born around the same time. We believe his father was Kenneth, who may have died when they were young. Their mother remarried Daniel McRae (known as "Long Daniel") in Anson Co., NC. There is a passage in Rev. John McRa's book "Genealogy of the McRas" referencing a Kenneth whose two sons and wife immigrated to the US. Any information you may have to help me with this line is greatly appreciated. Also, "Long Daniel" is the same man who later married Sarah McKenzie and Catherine McDonald. He is the son of Farquhar McRae who died in Richmond Co., North Carolina in 1800.

Query posted by : Diane McRae

1 Sep 2003 at 04.44
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The following replies have been posted in response to the above query. They are sorted chronologically according to the time of receipt, with the most recent at the end of the page.
 
 
Hi Diane! I'm not sure if we have the same relative or not, but going by a pedigree chart from the Family History Center in Salt Lake City, my great grandfather Alexander was the son of a John B. McRae who was born about 1778 in Anson County, N.C. He died in Iredell County on 12-4-1845. His father was Philip Finley McRae born in 1755 in Kintail, Ross, Scotland. John B. McRae was married to Mary Jane McRae who also had the McRae surname. She was born about 1785 in Anson County. Her father was Daniel McRae.

Reply posted by : Melody McRae

3 Dec 2003 at 06.42
 
 
Thank you for responding. I do believe we are talking about the same Alexander and John B. I descend through Daniel, his fifth son.

As far as Mary Jane McRae is concerned, do you know which Daniel McRae she is the daughter of? We know through personal letters of Alexander that he had an uncle Archibald (Mary Jane's brother). A NC researcher I have been in constant contact with has traced this Archibald and has found information that he, Mary and two sisters are are the children of Duncan MacRae and Margaret McQueen. I can provide this information for you if you are interested.

This same researcher has found that the information we have in the SLC records is not accurate. I never doubted the authenticity of the information as it has always been recorded as such since I was born, but was confused by the constant changing of the middle initial from B to E. The Philip Finley McRae listed as the father of John B. is actually the father of a John E. born the same year. This IS NOT our line. There are census records and other vital records to prove it. I would be happy to send you the information I have gathered from the researcher dispelling this long believed idea that Philip F. McRae was Alexander's grandfather. The researcher is leaning towards "Long" Daniel McRae who married Sarah McKenzie and Catherine McDonald is possibly the step-father of John B., and that a man named Kenneth is his biological father. Kenneth died in Scotland and his wife brought her two boys John B. and Duncan to the United States. We also know that John has a half- or step-brother Farquhar. Again, most of this information comes from some letters Alexander wrote to his sister and uncle.

As far as when and where John B. died, the researcher cannot find any records that can verify any of it. There are no wills, testaments, death records, burial records, etc. that mentions a John B.

I would like to hear more from you concerning any information you can share. I know it is and will not be a popular idea that Philip Finley McRae is not the father of our John B., but the documents are pretty convincing. I am hoping that by bringing this information to the attention of others, that somewhere we will find the correct information and names we are looking for. Thank you for responding.

Reply posted by : Diane McRae

4 Dec 2003 at 03.19
 
 
Sorry, I made a mistake when writing about the parents of Mary Jane. I looked back at my notes and saw that Margaret McQueen would have been too young to be Mary Jane's mother. However, the connection to Duncan McRae is still valid. The NC researcher believes Mary Jane was a child of Duncan's via a previous wife. The connection is still through Archibald McRae who had his three sisters residing with him during many census years. During a ten year period one of the sisters disappeared, never to be recorded again. There is a headstone with her name and a death date that would explain her disappearance. The head stones states she is the child of Duncan and Margaret, who are buried very close by her grave. The fact that she is listed as Archibald's sister in the census records and then listed at the daughter of Duncan MacRae and Margaret McQueen on her headstone, would lead to the conclusion that Archibald was also the son of at least Duncan. Papers we have have Archibald listed as Mary Jane's brother and a will or testament specifically lists the children of Mary Jane (and Alexander of SLC, UT by name) as heirs. This would clearly seem to make Mary Jane Archibald's sister, and thus also a child of at least Duncan. There is quite an age difference between Archibald and Mary Jane which would also lead to the conclusion that Mary Jane is the daughter of Duncan by a wife previous to Margaret McQueen.

Reply posted by : Diane McRae

4 Dec 2003 at 04.01
 
 
Diane...This is very interesting. Please write me at melody@as.net.

Reply posted by : Melody McRae

4 Dec 2003 at 05.22
 
 
Diane, in my line, I'm related to a John B. McRae, born abt 1782, Anson Co. North Carolina, he was married to a Mary McRae, born about 1785. they had the following children...Alexander, abt 1807, Kenneth, abt 1809, Daniel, abt 1811, Duncan, abt 1813, John, abt 1818, Jane, abt 1816, Mary, abt 1818, and Philip, abt 1820. I have John B's father as Philip or Finlay McRae, abt 1755, Kintail, ross, Scotland. He was married to Christian McLeod,abt 1760. Besides John B., they had the following children: Alexander J., abt 1781, Colin, abt 1783, Margaret, abt 1785, Isabella, abt 1787, Elizabeth, abt 1791, Nancy, abt 1793,and Farquhar A. abt 1796. I have further information if any of this matches what you are looking for.

Reply posted by : David McRae

9 Mar 2004 at 04.09
 
 
David,
Yes this is the same family. Unfortunately, the information we all have is incorrect. John B.'s father was NOT Phillip. This is proven through census records and other vital records, and supported by Alexander's actual words. The connection between John B. and father Phillip was incorrectly made by a researcher many decades ago. Someone submitted it as fact before doing any double checking on it. The child that belongs to Phillip (Finley) is John E. and this is verified by vital records. These are two separate men with very similar birth dates, but different death dates. I have a lot of information on this and on Mary Jane if you are interested. According to the information Alexander provided in some letters, a NC researcher believes he may have found who Mary's father was. I have this information, census records, and a will? that supports it.

Reply posted by : Diane McRae

9 Mar 2004 at 05.00
 
 
Dear Diane, I'm very interested in what you have. from John B., my line comes down through his child Alexander (who was in the Liberty Jail with the Prophet Joseph Smith. He had a child named Joseph, who had a child named Joseph Alexander, who was my grandfather.

Reply posted by : David McRae

9 Mar 2004 at 05.21
 
 
David, I also descend through Alexander via his son Daniel. Alexander is my ggg-grandfather. ALexander had Daniel, who had Daniel J. who had Daniel B. who had Daniel, who is my father. Please contact me at djsoftballmac@aol.com. I am happy to share what I have collected this year regarding the parentage of both John B. and Mary Jane.

Reply posted by : Diane McRae

11 Mar 2004 at 05.03
 
 
Diane, send me what you have on the location of the graves in the salt lake cemetary and I will go up there and see what I can find and capture with a digital camera.

cheers,
Dave

Reply posted by : David McRae

11 Aug 2004 at 00.48
 
 
I think I can help you out there. It seems to be some differences in kenneth being the father but its worth a try
Doug McRae

Reply posted by : Doug McRae

28 Nov 2004 at 22.57
 
 
Here is a website that has Richmond County NC wills, probates, petitions etc from the 1700s up. There is an on line index. I think you will find what you need here. There are many McRaes listed under Mac and Mc and a few other variants of the spelling. It is a 3 volume work and costs money. BUT Perhaps the author will do research for you for a smaller fee.

http://home.att.net/~hbridges/estatebk.htm

If you can't get to the website by the link, look for Myrtle Bridge's homepage for North Carolina. If you still can't, feeel free to contact me.

Reply posted by : Pj Chisholm

16 Jan 2005 at 19.03
 
 
Pre 1790 Census Index McRaes - NC

Name: Mc Rae, Duncan Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 004 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Rae, John, Sr. Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 004 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Rae, Hugh Year: 1767
County: CUMBERLAND CO. State: NC

Name: Rea, James Year: 1762
County: ROWAN CO. State: NC

Name: Rea, John Year: 1755
County: CUMBERLAND CO. State: NC

Name: Rea, Robert Year: 1784
County: SAMPSON CO. State: NC

Name: Rea, Thomas Year: 1784
County: SAMPSON CO. State: NC


1790 census index of McRaes in NC:

Name: Mcrae, Farquit Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Farquard Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Ezbell Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Duncan Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Daniel Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Christopher Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Mcrae, Alexander Year: 1795
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC

Name: Marae, William Year: 1790
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 046

For 1810 Census Index - McRae in NC -

Name: Mecray, John Year: 1810
County: TYRRELL CO. State: NC
Page: 210 Location:
Record Type:
Comments:

Name: Mc Rae, Sarah Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 198 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, Peter Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 192

Name: Mc Rae, Norman Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 191

Name: Mc Rae, Malcom Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 205 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, John Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 201 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, James Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 198 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, Duncan Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 198 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, Christopher, Sr. Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 198 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, Christopher Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 206 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Name: Mc Rae, Alexander Year: 1810
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 201 Location: ROCKINGHAM

Reply posted by : Pj Chisholm

16 Jan 2005 at 19.07
 
 
Pre - 1790 Census Index NC

Name: Mc Craw, William Year: 1786
County: SURRY CO. State: NC
Page: 003 Location: HUMPHRES DISTRICT
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, Collin Year: 1787
County: MONTGOMERY CO. State: NC
Page: 003 Location: DISTRICT #2
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, Christopher Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 003
Name: Mc Cray, Christopher Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002

Name: Mc Cray, Alexander Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, Aleck Sander Year: 1787
County: MONTGOMERY CO. State: NC
Page: 003 Location: DISTRICT #2
Record Type: STATE CENSUS
ame: Mc Cray, Farquar Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, John Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, Malcom Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

Name: Mc Cray, Zpher. Year: 1786
County: RICHMOND CO. State: NC
Page: 002 Location:
Record Type: STATE CENSUS

There are McCreys in Beaufort County, NC.

Reply posted by : Pj Chisholm

16 Jan 2005 at 19.39
 
 
I can see by your information and postings that you have advanced further than anyone of this line.
I know that there has been alot of incorrect information about John B McRae

Can the B stand for BAIN ?

Also who were John's children

I am descendant through his son Alexander -

but our family keeps spinning their wheels when it comes to pushing the line past Alexander.

The more research I do on other family lines I see that there is a big correlation between the names people give their children and who their parents and family members were.

Children were often named after their grandparents or aunts and uncles-

Thanks for keeping all of this straight

Georgeana McRae Cook

Reply posted by : Georgeana McRae Cook

10 Aug 2006 at 01.55
 
 
I believe you are on the right track with thinking that John B 's father may hav been Kenneth.

Look at the names that Alexander ( our common ancestor named his children )

1st son - John(1836)- most likely for his father

2nd son - Joseph (1838 ) - even though his father in law was Joseph - I believe this child was named for Joseph Smith - religious leader

3rd son - Kenneth(1840) - possibly for his grandfather - or a brother ?

Forth son - Alexander (1842) - named after himself

by this time their realm of friends and associates had expanded - they had moved to Nauvoo

Fifth son - Daniel (1846) - named possibly for his mother's father ?

Sixth son - Charles (1953) -

Seventh son - David Fitzgerald( 1957) ( after his wife's brother who immigrated with them to Salt Lake)

(why didn't he name any of his son's Duncan - after his brother ? )

1st daughter - Catherine (1844) - I believe this child was named for Eunice's mother

2nd daughter - Mary Jane (1848) - for his mother Mary ?

3rd daughter - Martha (1951)- I believe I read somewhere - that he had a sister Martha who he corresponded with

I'm not sure about his last two daughters ?

Anyway I know it's a long shot - but I feel that often there are clues in family traditions - especially in how people choose their children's names.

Reply posted by : Georgeana McRae Cook

11 Aug 2006 at 00.59
 
 
Diane:
Please contact me off line - since you and I do come from the same line -- Long Daniel Belongs to me

Lost a good deal of information when I almost fried my computer about a year ago - your email address being among several others that I lost

Misty
ltlhawk01@yahoo.com

Reply posted by : Misty Rosenfeld

23 Jul 2007 at 20.56
 
 
Hey, I am Jack McRae from Montgomery Co. N.C. The macraes in Richmond, Anson and Montgomery are related. There is a guy from Charlotte,N.C. who works with Macrae genealogy. He is in the MacRae Clan Society of North America. He may help you. His e-mail address is kharmides@yahoo.com

Reply posted by : Jack A. McRae Jr.

21 Jul 2008 at 19.23
 
 
Hello, NAME IS DAVID MCRAE.I live in Tennessee. I am new to the forum.I am looking for MCRAES that lived in Goochland Co. Va. Or possibly Richmond.Co. Nc.I have two names Kenneth MCRAE KATHERINE TERRY. Any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!

Reply posted by : David McRae

20 Aug 2010 at 19.51
 
 
Diane, I don't know if you ever found out anything about this inquiry but I to am looking at this area. I can easily trace our family back to East Texas, in which my GGGUncle fought on the Confederate side. They migrated from the south (Appears to be the carolinas) but it is hard to follow from there. Anything you found out that you would be willing to share I would apprciate.

Thanks,

Andrew Scott McRae

Reply posted by : Andrew McRae

11 Apr 2011 at 23.49
 
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